Immer noch sind die Wellen hoch bei der Berichterstattung über das Pentagon UFO-Programm und alles zeigt mehr auf die "fehlenden Erkenntnisse" hin, die zum Ende des eigentlichen Programm´s führten. Da in diesem Zusammenhang das Video eines NAVY F-18 Piloten in den Vordergrund gerückt wurde um der Sache ein besseres Aussehen zu verpassen, liegt der Fokus nun auf diesem FLIR-Video.
In der NYT (siehe unser Beitrag) wurde natürlich nicht darüber berichtet, das es um das FLIR-Video von 2004 schon im Jahre 2007 eine Veröffentlichung dieses Video gab und in den skeptischen UFO-Foren wie ATS in den USA heiß diskutiert wurde.
Nach lesen aller Beiträge ist inzwischen ein scheinbarer Fakt von Interesse, so die eigentlichen Aussagen zu dem vermeintlichen Vorfall der F-18, nicht in Verbindung zum Video stehen!
So gibt es eine Aussage des Piloten der betroffenen F-18:
"Hey Cosmania! something I'd really not thought about until a guy from OSD contacted me a few months ago. Then the Times contacted me to confirm XXXXX's story, so I told them what I could recall. The FLIR video they included is not from us, that was from a different flight, so I don't like that they attributed it to us. Frankly, when I got back to the ship for my CVIC debrief, I asked them if there was a sub in the area doing cruise missile launch tests, since that seemed like the most plausible explanation I could come up with. I told OSD & the Times reporter that, too. Anyway, didn't think it would be such a huge deal, just told them what I remembered."
Hierzu passt auch weitere Info zur Nimitz:
I've only had a quick glance through the summary. It appears realistic (well, the non-UFO stuff anyway), and the squadrons involved certainly are part of Carrier Air Wing 11 (CVW-11). The Fast Eagles are F/A-18Fs flown by VFA-41 The Black Aces. The other squadron names are consistent.
So, I'd say at the least that it is based on a real air wing summary, such things by themselves not being classified in any way. The next question is whether the Nimitz (the carrier involved) was at sea at the time. From what I've been able to glean from the net, the Nimitz returned to port in San Diego on 20 November 2004 after completing 23 days at sea, including an evaluation.
I haven't been able to ascertain if she was alongside or at sea on the 24th. Generally after an intense shakedown, some alongside time is in order, and the air wings redeploy to the home bases. But I can't prove one way or the other at the moment.
The F/A-18F is equipped with the ATFLIR, a more advanced targeting pod than the one I'm used to. The picture quality is generally very clear on pods such as these, and if the aircraft was only five miles away as claimed, I would have expected the picture to be much better than it actually is.
I need to draw some pictures to get a full appreciation of the actual manoeuvres, and where everything is. It is a standard fighter debriefing methodology, and should give me an idea of whether it is plausible or otherwise. One thing that strikes me is that traditionally when putting in a narrative event such as this, the actual aircraft callsign would be used rather than the Squadron nickname and aircraft number (which is what Fast Eagle 110 etc is).
Anyways, this is all based on a very quick look. I'll let you know if I come up with anything else.
Hier einmal die Aufzeichnung des eigentlichen Vorfalls:
Ein Beitrag von 2007:
As promised this story is the real deal. So go on and make your own thoughts and decisions about this.
The video you are about to see seems to be a FLIR-hud-vision captured by one of the jets, that were sent out to intercept the unknown object. The materials we (me and one other ATS member who wished to remain nameless) used for this analysis/post were this video, an event-log and a power-point-presentation, but the information included in there has not been worked out yet.The files we have can be released on demand.
RECALL OF AN EVENT LOG OF A SHIP OF THE US-NAVY FLEET This is the video here and these are the events happened.
Date 14 November 2004
Two interceptor fighters were directed to a certain location, where an unknown object has been spotted at 160@40NM (N3050.8 W11746.9). The fleet informed the intercepting jets that the object was moving at 100 KTS @ 25 KFT ASL.
The jets could not find any object at that location. While the jets were searching for the air contact, they spotted a large object in the water at 1430L. The pilots saw steam/smoke/churning around the object. The pilot described the object initially as resembling a downed airliner, he also stated that it was much larger than a submarine.
A jet descended down from 24KFT to gain a better view of the object in the water. The jet then spotted an air contact, it appeared to be a capsule shaped (wingless, mobile, white, oblong pill shaped, 25-30 feet in length, no visible markings and no glass) 5 NM west from the object in the water.
The capsule passed under the jet at 4KFT at course 300. the jet turned to acquire the capsule. While the jet was descending and turning the capsule began climbing and turned inside of the jets turn radius. The pilot estimated that the capsule achieved 600-700 KTS. The jet could not keep up with the rate of turn and the gain of altitude by the capsule. The jet then lost visual on the capsule in haze. Last visual contact was at 14KFT, capsule heading due east.
Neither of the two jets could achieve radar lock or any other means of positive id. The other jet was flying high cover and saw the engagement by the other jet, this jet confirms visual id of the capsule and the other jet chasing it. Both jets lost contact in haze.
The time has come for the truth to be revealed. There is a saying which goes like this:
3 THINGS CANT BE HIDDEN FOR LONG. THE SUN, THE MOON AND THE TRUTH - ~UNID~
[edit on 4-2-2007 by thefinaltheory]
Was das Video betrifft, sind weitere Recherchen-Details zu erwarten.
The sensor heading indicator is very interesting because it goes from 54°L to 6°R. The orientation of the shape flips as it goes over from L to R.
The plane is turning left, the camera is turning right. The change in angle of the camera appears fairly constant
Bad UFOs: Skepticism, UFOs, and The Universe
Reflections on UFOs, skepticism, and practically anything else by Robert Sheaffer, author of the book "Bad UFOs," plus the "Psychic Vibrations" column in The Skeptical Inquirer).
So much exciting stuff to write about, I scarcely know where to begin. I will assume that by now, everyone here has read or heard about the recent big UFO story in the New York Times. If not, here are the links for you to read about this:
This "UFO disclosure" is what Tom DeLonge has been promising for some time, and it looks like he has finally delivered something, although apparently it falls far short of what some people were expecting. DeLonge says that three UFO videos have been released, but he shows us only two. You can see them here on his website, along with his commentary.
An image from the "Groundbreaking" Chilean UFO video promoted by Leslie Kean in January 2017, later shown conclusively to be a distant jet aircraft. Kean's Chilean "expert" labeled the object's "envelope" (envoltura). According to the New York Times story, the objects in the newly-released UFO videos are surrounded by a "Glowing aura"!
The most surprising "revelation" to me was that almost $22 million in federal funds were (reportedly) secretly spent in investigating UFOs. According to the New York Times story,
The shadowy program — parts of it remain classified — began in 2007, andinitially it was largely funded at the request of Harry Reid, the Nevada Democrat who was the Senate majority leader at the time and who has long had an interest in space phenomena. Most of the money went to an aerospace research company run by a billionaire entrepreneur and longtime friend of Mr. Reid’s, Robert Bigelow, who is currently working with NASA to produce expandable craft for humans to use in space...
Contracts obtained by The Times show a congressional appropriation of just under $22 million beginning in late 2008 through 2011. The money was used for management of the program, research and assessments of the threat posed by the objects.
The funding went to Mr. Bigelow’s company, Bigelow Aerospace, which hired subcontractors and solicited research for the program. [emphasis added]
Bigelow Aerospace received almost $22 million in federal funds to study UFOs? What happened to this money?? How was it spent?
Bigelow Aerospace "hired subcontractors"??? WHO were these subcontractors, and what research did they produce? Contracts invariably have specifications of work and deliverables. What deliverables were produced? Now that the UFO program is no longer classified, the public has a right to see whatever reports and analyses it has produced using taxpayer money.
The STAR Team Impact Project (SIP) was a MUFON program funded in part by Bigelow Aerospace Advanced Space Studies (BAASS) where MUFON was subcontracted to provide information from the CMS data base (website) and witness reports related to the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) directly to BAASS.
MUFON had a contract with BAASS (per the terms of the contract agreement) MUFON provided data from sighting reports that were submitted to MUFON CMS website in exchange for BAASS paying funds directly to MUFON each month. This Contract was sometimes referred to as a Purchase Agreement (purchase of information) and the project was referred to as the SIP Project (STAR Team Impact Project).
Part of this money was used to directly fund the STAR TEAM, which consisted of paid investigators who would be deployed to investigate the most compelling cases and a dispatch operation that would work continuous shifts to monitor the activity of the cases coming into the CMS website.
Unfortunately, Bigelow's deal with MUFON quickly turned sour. According to Richard Lang, who was the manager of the STAR Team, the deal soon got tangled up in financial controversy and audits, and was terminated in January, 2010. He says that MUFON only received about $324,000 total from Bigelow, a small fraction of the money Bigelow received from the federal government.
So far as I am aware (and I talk to a lot of MUFON people), none of them were aware that Bigelow was in essence passing federal funding onto them. In fact, I am sure that some of them will be upset that Bigelow was, in essence, making them unknowingly participate in a federally-funded investigation.
Reid pressured a compliant DHS official to override normal departmental procedures and rush through 230 EB-5 foreign visa applications, thereby freeing up $115 million the applicants invested in the SLS Hotel and Casino in Las Vegas. The report did not, however, reveal the now confirmed fact that the owner of that casino project had hired Reid’s son, Rory Reid, to provide legal representation for the project.
It seems very implausible that it would be possible for Bigelow to spend over $21 million in analyzing two (or maybe three) videos of purported UFOs. How was this money spent?
DeLonge may think that he has opened up a locked box to let secrets out and sunshine in. But in fact, he has just opened a giant Can of Worms.